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Date: Sat 14 Nov 87 10:27:13-GMT
From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #93

Usenet Mac Digest     Saturday, November 14, 1987    Volume 3 : Issue 93

Today's Topics:
     FullWrite Update
     SE Disk Drive woes
     FIXJT
     Re: Character recognition
     Seeking arcade games for my Mac
     IC Layout Software for the Mac II
     Dropping DTR
     MultiFinder RAMDisks
     ESD causes degenerative brain disease in Mac IIs
     Re: Dropping DTR
     Need help with MAC II....HELP!
     Need help with current directory
     Re: who is the author of the boston & beverly hills fonts?
     Re: An A/UX question...
     SE/20 and HD SC Setup
     Re: Adding PICTs to Lists
     Bye bye for now...
     Beware of MultiFinder 1.0 About... Trick
     Re: Font needed for MacGolf 2.0
     RD-ROM and HyperCard
     ESD causes degenerative brain disease in Mac IIs
     Re: Need help with MAC II....HELP!
     UUCP for Mac?
     Re: Need help with MAC II....HELP!
     Re: Anyone seen SHOWInit???
     Expand Tab Utility
     System Software 5.0

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From: [e-mail] (Darren Jay Hacker)
Subject: FullWrite Update
Date: 5 Nov 87 21:28:09 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Rochester Computing Center

I just got off the phone with those *nice* people at Ann Arbor.  They
said:

    1. FullWrite Professional has been completed*.  They are working
        on removing the known and pin-pointed bugs in the program.
    2. Shipment is targeted at the end of November*.  We should see it
        in the beginning of December.
    3. Charter Subscribers: if you have already paid for FullWrite and
        think that this is a scam, you CAN get a REFUND directly
        from Ann Arbor Softworks.  They admit that they have made
        mistakes, and realize that some people will be ticked off.
        I am keeping my faith in them.

    * Or so they say

Send all flames, not to me, but to AAS: [phone].

=============================================================================
Darren Jay Hacker      Internet: [e-mail]
"The fault, dear Brutus,      UUCP: [e-mail]            \ / ,|.
 is not in our stars,           (or) ...{ames,cmcl2,decvax,rutgers}   X ( | )
 but in our software               !rochester!ur-tut!dhac        / \ `|'

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From: [e-mail] (Alexander Cohen)
Subject: SE Disk Drive woes
Date: 7 Nov 87 19:07:13 GMT
Organization: SUNY/Buffalo Computer Science


    I've been noticing that some of my older diskettes work on some SE's
and not others.  In two cases disks that were initialized on the old
400k drives when inserted in my SE didn't work at all, but were savable
with MacZap.  MacZap indicated that the allocation tables had been
trashed.  However, this same diskette worked perfectly well on another's
SE.  More recently, a file on a diskette that worked on my SE and
another's was unopenable on a third person's SE; it showed a checksum
error under Fedit +.

    Has anyone else experienced such problems?

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From: [e-mail] (David Phillip Oster)
Subject: FIXJT
Date: 6 Nov 87 23:43:53 GMT
Organization: School of Education, UC-Berkeley

I've heard of a shareware desk accessory called FixJt that removes the
copy protection from older Opcode products, and from Electronic Arts'
Deluxe Music Construction Set. I have been unable to find a copy of this
on the BMUG bulletin board, the Well's "lib", or in the
[SUMEX]<INFO-MAC> archives. Would everyone who would be willing to mail
me a copy send me a short note, so I can get in touch with the closest
by E-mail?

--- David Phillip Oster            --A Sun 3/60 makes a poor Macintosh II.
Arpa: [e-mail] --A Macintosh II makes a poor Sun 3/60.
Uucp: {uwvax,decvax,ihnp4}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu

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From: [e-mail] (45261-Malloy)
Subject: Re: Character recognition
Date: 3 Nov 87 14:10:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Wilson) writes:
>
> Flagstaff Engineering (602-523-6461) is currently writing
> character recognition software for scanners and PC's.
> You may want to give them a call.

I called them a while back and they send me a demo of their OCR
software.  The demo does everything that I wanted.  I guess the 600$ is
a little redundent.  Can anyone confirm this?

Clancy Malloy ihlpj!cem


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From: [e-mail] (Ted Johnson)
Subject: Seeking arcade games for my Mac
Date: 4 Nov 87 22:03:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard  DTC

I am seeking arcarde shoot-em-up (and other) games that have been ported
to the Mac.  In particular, I am looking for :

            Centipede
            Tempest
            Defender
            Pac-Man
            Robotron

Any pointers are appreciated.

    -Ted

*******************************************
Ted C. Johnson
Hewlett Packard, Design Technology Center
Santa Clara, CA
[phone]
UUCP: ...hplabs!hpcea!hpcilzb!tedj
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Marko)
Subject: IC Layout Software for the Mac II
Date: 4 Nov 87 13:47:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

I posted the following request to another group (comp.lsi) about porting
IC layout software to the Mac II, and received a couple of responses
indicating that either Apple or Berkeley had already ported MAGIC to a
II running Beta A/UX (I'd actually prefer to stay with the Mac OS, as
I'd like the port to have a full Mac user interface, but I'll take what
I can get).  Can anyone  confirm or deny this, and if true, I'd love to
get a copy.   Also, does anyone on this group have any
comments/experience on this subject?

: I'm interested in bringing up an IC layout package on
: a new hardware platform we've just received (a Mac II),
: however the in-house software we use for most circuit
: layout may be too large to run efficiently on the Mac.
: The package must support at least 20 mask layers, have
: assignable colors, be able to handle reasonably large
: databases, support EBES output, and preferably have
: a symbolic editing mode (although I'd be willing to
: sacrifice this if all other features were supported).
:
: I understand that MAGIC is something of a standard on the
: outside world (please correct me if I'm wrong), and am
: wondering how I can acquire the source code and documentation
: to the program.  Is the source public domain (I expect to do
: a lot of re-coding to adequately support the Mac user
: interface)?  Is it small enough to be e-mailed?  Are
: there other layout packages available which may be
: more suitable?
:
: Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, as I've not
: followed the developments in commercial CAD software for
: a few years.  E-mail responses, and I can summarize if
: others are interested.  Thanks!

Again, thanks in advance!

Kurt Marko
AT&T Bell Labs
{ihnp4, ulysses,...your_favorite_gateway...}!aluxz!krm

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From: [e-mail] (Charles Blair)
Subject: Dropping DTR
Date: 6 Nov 87 01:20:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Chicago

Programs like MacKermit don't drop the line (carrier, DTR) on quitting,
unlike Macterminal, for example. Is there is a software program one can
run to do this? Source O.K.

(I realize I can pull my connection apart physically, but I hate
reaching under my desk all the time :-)  ).

Thanks for any help.


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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Steele)
Subject: MultiFinder RAMDisks
Date: 7 Nov 87 01:28:32 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill


Are there any RAMDisks that run under MultiFinder (assuming you have the
requisite memory)?  I've tried RamStart1.3 with no success; that's all I
can lay my hands on without (what's it called?  I used to have the stuff
before I got a II) money.

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                            [e-mail]

  "But remember, it's never too late to take Swahili." -- Peter
Wolfenden


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From: [e-mail] (Julian Vrieslander)
Subject: ESD causes degenerative brain disease in Mac IIs
Date: 7 Nov 87 23:47:24 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY

This may give you sweaty palms the next time you open your Mac II case.
One of our local Apple dealers says that, at the factory service
training sessions, he was told that the Mac II motherboard was
*extremely* sensitive to damage from electrostatic discharge (ESD).  Now
many of us already know that CMOS IC's can be damaged by ESD, and take
routine precautions when handling them.  The service training
instructors apparently are stressing this in a big way: they claim that
ESD control is especially important around the Mac II because it
contains VLSI chips with unprecedentedly high gate densities (for a PC).
 To underline this statement, they told the trainees that damage could
be caused by waving a charged piece of material (eg. plastic film) over
the board, or (if you wear the proper shirt material) by raising your
arm.

Apparently, some ESD-induced damage is not immediately evident.  One
common damage mode involves an increase in gate leakage current - the
chips function properly until the leakage eventually deteriorates into a
catastrophic failure.  The service instructors said that in in a Mac II,
such damage is undetectable at first, but may show up four months later
in erratic program behavior and data loss, possibly culminating in
machine crashes and a bill for a new motherboard.  I had heard about
such incipient ESD damage, but never took it very seriously until now.

What to make of this?  Well, now that we finally have open Macs there
are going to be a lot of people out there gleefully popping in boards
and hard disks, and most of these folks are not well trained in ESD
precautions. If the boards are as hyper-fragile as the above story
suggests, then there are going to be a lot of IIs coming down with
degenerative chip disease, and a lot of unhappy owners.  Apple must know
that, so perhaps the service instructors were being a bit over-dramatic.


But it makes sense to play it safe.  Most readers of this group are
likely to be familiar with ESD precautions, but here are some tips for
those few who may not be.  With the cover in place and the machine
properly grounded, it is reasonably well protected.  You might consider
a grounding floor mat, etc. if there are a lot of static snaps from
office carpeting and chairs.  If and when you go inside the case, it is
wise to have the machine grounded (plugged into a grounded outlet), to
put it on a conducting grounded surface, and to keep a grounding strap
on your body (I run a wire with alligator clips from my metal wristwatch
band to the chassis).  Move around as little as possible while you are
installing boards, disk drives or accessories and handle them only as
much as needed. Finally, I seem to remember that polyester clothing is
more ESD prone than cotton.

--
Julian Vrieslander    [phone]
Neurobiology & Behavior, W250 Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853
UUCP: {cmcl2,decvax,rochester,uw-beaver,ihnp4}!cornell!batcomputer!eacj
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen B. Baumgarten)
Subject: Re: Dropping DTR
Date: 8 Nov 87 02:53:31 GMT
Organization: DP&W, New York, NY

Both Red Ryder and Versaterm can be configured to drop DTR on exit;
although neither supports server mode (like MacKermit does), Versaterm
does support multiple file send/receive and long packets in Kermit.  It
also gets my vote for best Mac terminal program, but hey, that's just my
opinion...

--
   Steve Baumgarten             | "New York... when civilization falls apart,
   Davis Polk & Wardwell        |  remember, we were way ahead of you."
   ...!seismo!cmcl2!esquire!sbb |                           - David Letterman


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From: [e-mail] (Marty Lee)
Subject: Need help with MAC II....HELP!
Date: 8 Nov 87 06:44:46 GMT
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown UNIX; Portland, OR.


Boy did I do a STUPID thing today.  I was fooling around with my Mac II
(1 Meg RAM) while I had the Control Panel DA up.  I was flipping though
the various sizes of RAM cache sizes when I noticed the range was from
16K to 750K.  In my fooling around I turned it on by mistake and closed
the DA while the cache was set for 750K!!!  Seeing my mistake I tried to
open the Control Panel DA back up again....an error message comes up
saying that there isn't enough memory to open the DA!  At this point I'm
not in a panic so I click on the continue box.  Now a system bomb comes
up ID=19.  Now I PANIC!!!!  I try a reboot from floppy...get to the
desktop, but the control panel still cannot be pulled up without
crashing the system.  Try a reboot from hard disk....the smile mac comes
up then the screen glitches and the musical tones play, not the ones on
restart, the tones when you hit the interupt switch. Now I really PANIC.
 Next is a complete restore of all the hard disk files.....The same
things happen!!!

Next I try to rebuild the desktop (restart with the control/option keys
down).....same thing!!!!

Now what do I do!!!!  I've heard the configuration ram locations must be
reset sometimes....but how?  Any suggestions?  HELP!! HELP!! Send email
direct to me.....

Marty Lee
--
tektronix!reed!omen!bucket!martyl  (Marty Lee)


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From: [e-mail] (J.S.Shapiro)
Subject: Need help with current directory
Date: 8 Nov 87 22:25:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T-IS, Summit N.J. USA

I have an application that would like to know what your current folder
was when you invoked it (i.e. what folder, if any, was selected. How can
it find out?

Jon Shapiro


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From: [e-mail] ( guest)
Subject: Re: who is the author of the boston & beverly hills fonts?
Date: 8 Nov 87 22:02:01 GMT
Organization: General Electric Astro Space Div.

Hi,
    The authors and their fonts are:

    Boston II:  The one that started it all off, and still the best. The
author is Charles Maurer, and his address is:

    Charles E. Maurer
    31 Forsyth Avenue South
    Hamilton, Ontario L8S 2A4
    Canada

and the price is $10.50, american.  I dunno the canadian price...

DON'T be fooled by the font Lachine, by Andrew Welch!  It's a _very
very_ poor copy of Boston II (so obvious a copy it's really kind of sad
that Andrew  expects people to pay him for it...) and it isn't as good.


    Beverly Hills:  The author and his address:

    Alan D. Hayman
    1425 S. Doheny Dr.,
    Los Angeles, CA 90035

    It's a pretty nice update of New York, but its roots are far too
obvious.  Much better to use:


    Clairvaux 2.2:  By:

    J.W. Leedom
    P.O. Box 9714
    Hollins College
    Roanoke, VA 24020

    It's also a pretty obvious copy of New York, but it is very nice, and
when printed really stands as its own font.  The funny thing about this
font is that it doesn't look very good on the screen!  I compared it to
Boston II in a Write document, and thought "well, still no competition
for good old  Boston II", until I printed it out!  Very nice.
    Unfortunately, the 20 point is nowhere near as nice as the 24 point
(for printing Best quality for (respectively) 10 and 12 point).  If you
do order it, complain bitterly about this.

    Both Beverly Hills and Clairvaux are $10.

    Enjoy,
    Chris Sterritt
    "This letter compsed with the help of MultiFinder and MacWrite"


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From: [e-mail] (Byron Han)
Subject: Re: An A/UX question...
Date: 9 Nov 87 06:26:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

Well, some pointers on how to be good.

* Do not assume 24 bit addressing.  Do not stuff anything into the
topmost  byte of a handle

* Do not used 68000 priviledge instructions.  A/UX Toolbox applications
run in user mode,

* Do not directly address hardware.

* Do not use low memory globals if at all possible.

Of course, many of these "restrictions" are actually good Macintosh
programming  practices.  In general, do not make a lot of assumptions
about the current  Macintosh programming model as it is subject to
change, e.g. A/UX toolbox access is a modification on the Macintosh
programming model.  Applications that make assumptions about the
programming model (i.e. a lot of them) will break.


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From: [e-mail] (Macintosh Users Group)
Subject: SE/20 and HD SC Setup
Date: 7 Nov 87 04:01:03 GMT
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.


I have a Mac SE w/ 20 meg internal HD. The version of HD SC Setup that
came with it was 1.1. Initializing the internal HD gave me 19,834K
available.

Along comes System 4.2, with version 1.5 of HD SC Setup. I decide to
backup the HD, re-format with 1.5 and restore. Version 1.5 leaves me
with 19,139K free on the hard disk - 695K has just gone bye-bye!

So, I decide to re-format with 1.1, and install the new driver from 1.5,
and now have that 695K back.

Could someone please explain why Mac SE users should lose 695K by using
the most recent version of Apple HD SC Setup?

Jason Haines, President

Club Mac Macintosh Users Group, Sydney, Australia
Phone Home: [phone]
Snail:      Box 213, Holme Building, Sydney University, NSW, 2006, Australia
ACSnet:     [e-mail]       ARPA:   [e-mail]
UUCP:{enea,hplabs,mcvax,prlb2,uunet,ubc-vision,ukc}!munnari!runx.ips.oz!clubmac

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From: [e-mail] (John J. Chew III)
Subject: Re: Adding PICTs to Lists
Date: 9 Nov 87 09:26:35 GMT
Organization: The Poslfit Committee


In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
> How does one go about doing this?

The default LDEF (LDEF 0) will only display text lists.  If you want to
display other things, or even more nicely formatted text, you have to
write your own LDEF.  Read the section on this in IM4. It's painless:
you have only four messages to interpret (init, draw, invert and close),
and you can write a duplicate of LDEF 0 in next to no time.

The only thing you may have to be careful of if you're displaying big
PICTs is that there is an overall 32K limit on the amount of data stored
in the data handle of any given list.  You can of course get around this
by storing the resource # of the PICT or a handle to it instead of the
actual data.

Now, a related question:  Why, when you select a cell in a two-
dimensional list, does the cell below it occasionally flash? Is there an
easy fix?  Am I doing something wrong?

John Chew
--
john j. chew (v3.0)                       [e-mail]
[phone] (300/1200 bps)            [e-mail]
{cbosgd,decvax,mnetor,utai,utcsri,{allegra,linus}!utzoo}!utgpu!poslfit
"Script-G for open, sub-delta for durchschnitt"


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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Bye bye for now...
Date: 9 Nov 87 18:06:53 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA

I regret to say that I'm going to be leaving the net.  It may be
permanent, or I may be back in 1988, but for now I've concluded that
it's not possible for me to do my job and be an active participant here.

Those of you who work for large companies -- and must include
disclaimers -- are well aware of the possible consequences of posting
certain information.  As the head of a smaller company, I was naive
enough to assume I was immune to such concerns -- but due to a terrible
screw-up on my part, found out I was wrong.

I'll still be keeping the same mailing address, and can answer questions
about my book or any software product offerred by Palomar.

It's been fun for the past 2.5 years and I hope to be back eventually.

So long ... and thanks for all the fish! :-)
--
    Joel West (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    Author, Programming with Macintosh Programmer's Workshop (Bantam)
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Donald A. Norman)
Subject: Beware of MultiFinder 1.0 About... Trick
Date: 9 Nov 87 16:28:54 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego Institute for Cognitive Science

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Macintosh Users
Group) writes:
>
>If you have MultiFinder 1.0, hold down the Command and Option keys and
>select "About MultiFinder...".

UMM, beware.  Running multifinder 1.0 in 1 Mbyte. Big System, plus
Finder plus Versaterm plus Microsoft Word.  0K memory free.  Running
"rn" on a vax via Versater. I read the above comment so I immediately
try it (after all, that is waht multifinder is about).  I pop back to
the finder and try the trick: A Box appears on the screen saying  "The
AboutBox.  A Ringewald/Goldman Production."

Freeze.  Dead computer.  Need to reboot.  Pain.

(After reboot, leaving out Microsoft word, I try again.  Interesting.)

Come on guys.  The freeze-up is most unprofessional.  This system, like
many on this machine, is simply not quite at the professional level yet.
 I do not have to reboot my Sun or Vax everytime I run out of memory on
a job.  On the Macintosh, rebooting is a way of life. Still an amateur
production.  Mutifinder moves the system into the world-class leagues,
but it still needs some more work.

(Don't tell me I need more memory. Of course I do: it is on order.)

don norman

Donald A. Norman
Institute for Cognitive Science C-015
University of California, San Diego
La Jolla, California 92093
[e-mail]        {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!ics!norman
[e-mail]    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Robert Joseph Hammen)
Subject: Re: Font needed for MacGolf 2.0
Date: 9 Nov 87 20:06:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Applications, Inc.

>I had this problem, too.  If memory serves, I believe it's trying to find
>New York 14.

Actually, I think it's trying to find Times 14.

Robert Hammen    Computer Applications, Inc.
[e-mail]    Delphi: HAMMEN        GEnie: R.Hammen


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Letourneau)
Subject: RD-ROM and HyperCard
Date: 9 Nov 87 19:38:11 GMT
Organization: NLM/LHNCBC, Bethesda, Md.


     Does anyone know if HyperCard running on a MacII is currently
  capable of interfacing with a RD-ROM? of not, when might such
  capabilities be available?
                        Gary Letourneau
                        [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Arnold Reinhold)
Subject: ESD causes degenerative brain disease in Mac IIs
Date: 9 Nov 87 16:43:15 GMT
Organization: Automatix Inc.,  Billerica, MA

Julian Vrieslander of Cornell U. writes:

>This may give you sweaty palms the next time you open your Mac II case.
>One of our local Apple dealers says that, at the factory service training
>sessions, he was told that the Mac II motherboard was *extremely*
>sensitive to damage from electrostatic discharge (ESD).


We are an Apple VAR and are marketing an Industrialized version of the
MAC II called the AI 90.  While we were developing the AI 90 package we
had a number of MAC II's taken apart.  The mother boards were handled
extensively (and I might say carelessly) while we were trying out
various concepts.  This was in the summer when static is less of an
issue, but we have experienced no problems with these initial units.
They are now used for development in house.

People should *always* follow good ESD practice when handling any
computer (our AI 90 production people do!), but we have found the MAC II
mother boards to be fairly robust.

Arnold G. Reinhold
Automatix Inc., 1000 Tech Park Dr., Billerica, Mass. 01821
617 667 7900   Applelink V0280

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From: [e-mail] (David W. Berry)
Subject: Re: Need help with MAC II....HELP!
Date: 9 Nov 87 22:37:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

Try: Boot without multifinder active (hold the command key down while
booting) Open the control panel while holding down shift/option/command
in order to zero the PRAM. Reset things the way you want them (I'd suggest less
than 750K of cache in your case :-)

--
    David W. Berry
    [e-mail]                   dwb@Delphi
    [e-mail]                   [e-mail]
Disclaimer: Apple doesn't even know I have an opinion and certainly
    wouldn't want if they did.


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Biddle)
Subject: UUCP for Mac?
Date: 8 Nov 87 05:35:12 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Some months ago I heard rumours about UUCP implementations for the VOZ
CP :-) and also for the Mac. However, the source newsgroups are too
expensive to get here, and there does not seem to have been any  mention
anywhere else. I did see some mention of "uupc" - was that it? Was there
a Mac version?

Anyway, I would very much like a UUCP for the Mac. Can anyone clue me in
and point me in the right direction?

Post if you want, but please also reply by mail, as by my news access
will be erratic over the next month.

Thanks! Robert
--
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UUCP:           ...!{watmath,munnari,mcvax,...!uunet!vuwcomp}!cantuar!robert
NZ Telecom:    Office: [phone] x8352     Home: [phone]; [phone]
NZ Post:    University of Canterbury, Christchurch,  Aotearoa / New Zealand


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From: [e-mail] (Oliver Steele)
Subject: Re: Need help with MAC II....HELP!
Date: 9 Nov 87 23:50:35 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

This bit me too, so the answer might be of general interest:

Take or make a spare startup disk, borrow a Mac and ResEdit, open the
System file, and delete the resource of type CACH (you could also delete
INIT 35, or whatever it is).  When you boot with this disk, you won't
lose any memory to the RAM disk, and you can use the Control Panel to
set the memory back down again.

If you're using an older Mac, you can just install a newer Control Panel
(and the General cdev, if you're going to get real recent) on an older
System disk and avoid the ResEdit step.

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Oliver Steele                  ...!{decvax,ihnp4}!mcnc!unc!steele
                            [e-mail]

  "When you believe in a loving God, life appears to be very funny."
                            -- Garrison Keillor


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From: [e-mail] (Straka)
Subject: Re: Anyone seen SHOWInit???
Date: 9 Nov 87 18:05:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois

Perhaps this is a good time for a new system software request!

With all of the INITs, CDEVs, ..., ..., ..., my System Folder is started
to get CROWDED. Why can't we start having subfolders to (optionally)
house these sort of things?  Such as: Init Folder, CDEV Folder, ...

It can't bee too hard to do. It might be confusing for neophytes, but if
it's optional, they won't have to worry about it.
--
Rich Straka     ihnp4!ihlpf!straka

Advice for the day: "MSDOS - just say no."


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From: [e-mail] (bill mcgrath)
Subject: Expand Tab Utility
Date: 10 Nov 87 16:04:20 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

I am looking for a utility which will allow me to expand tabs in a
document with the correct number of spaces and export the modified
document to a text file allowing me to Kermit it to other systems for
inclusion in other plain text documents.  Some spreadsheet programs such
as Lotus allow export as an ascii print file with tabs expanded.  is
there anything like this for the MAC?


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Shulman)
Subject: System Software 5.0
Date: 13 Nov 87 03:22:38 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger-Doll Research, Ridgefield, CT

I thought the whole idea behind having the new update called "System
Software 5.0" was to avoid the confusion with version numbers and
EVERYTHING would have the *same* number.  However, we still have System
4.2, Finder 6.0, MultiFinder 1.0, etc.  How are we different from
before?  Not only that, but *nothing* in the set is version 5.0!  Might
as well have called it System Software 42.0.

                                                        Jeff

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